Pleasantries Follow-up: Williams vs. Horvitz

by William White Williams
Chairman, National Alliance

FOR BACKGROUND TO this discussion between my Jewish former classmate Gary Horvitz and myself, read “Chairman Williams Exchanges Pleasantries with Former High School Classmate” here on National Vanguard.

Horvitz finally posted a response to me, and his remarks are inset here, interspersed with my responses in regular type.

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I have finally read your entire response to me from weeks back.

Well, two weeks. Thank you for another response, Gary.

Still being a member in good standing, I think, of the class of ’65 I had been notified of your message to our class, describing your journey through life since graduating. I responded, describing my own journey, stating some observations of what has happened to Raleigh [North Carolina] since we graduated from Broughton [High School], mostly just verifiable facts from my perspective as a man of my race.

You did not care for what I wrote and came back, dismissing me with your rather smug, one-sentence reply that I should go live in my “dark, self-inflicted zero-sum world.” Ouch!

You attribute to me beliefs I do not hold, a history I do not embrace, an assumption of a place in the world I do not seek. You reach into the most remote recesses of radical religious ideology to create an opposition whose only remaining adherents are the most retrogressive ideologues of a nation slipping into authoritarian apartheid. The [sic] is ‘Elders of Zion’ stuff.

Those elders of Zion were your people, Gary, not mine. I sell a 2023 edition of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion translated by Dr. Thomas Dalton, PhD. It’s definitive, the first English translation in more than 100 years, here: Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion translated by Thomas Dalton.

“Radical religious ideology”? “Slipping into authoritarian apartheid”? Talk about a straw man; it’s you, Gary, who attributes to me things that are not true.

In other words, you are erecting a straw man with whom you can joust, debate and in your own mind, subdue. You may label what you seek to preserve or resurrect as a tradition. But let’s look at that tradition. Historically, it has depended on the maintenance of rigid hierachies [sic] and cemented privilege. What has that ‘tradition’ brought us? Whiteness. Not as a racial identity so much as an ideology of modernity, a culture of taking, believing that humans are superior to nature, that we are in control of the biosphere, that humans and the biosphere itself are disposable objects in service of the greater vision of Progress and Growth. That alternative knowledge or systems of knowing are illegitimate.

You meant hierarchies, right?

There’s a lot to unpack in those accusations. Privilege? I’m privileged to live in a nation where our Founding Fathers, all White, by the way, secured for their progeny freedom of religion, speech, and association, if we will exercise these rights and fight to retain them. It’s a tradition, yes, that we in the US still enjoy, for now. There are some, like you, however, who would rather those like me shut up and go away to some dark place.

I’ll tell you about my religious ideology. It is radical in the sense that it is opposed to and will eventually replace the prevailing ideology of my people, Christianity.

I am the current Trustee of the Cosmotheist Community Church, based on the belief system founded by Dr. William Pierce 50 years ago — a furtherance of Pantheism that has been around for centuries. Dr. Pierce was a tenured physics professor and bona fide rocket scientist who left academia around 1965 to devote the remainder of his life to his people. He called this new philosophy, this ideology, or religion if you will, Cosmotheism.

It is not a narrow view of Earth’s biosphere, as you accuse, but the belief that we are all part of the Cosmos, the Whole — a view that god and man and everything else are one and the same, that we are all part of Nature — all of us. It conforms with Nature, and is not opposed to her. Pierce analyzed the eternal laws of Nature as a scientist — not as a believer in your ancient, Middle Eastern Bible scriptures that are not grounded at all in reality but in myths. I published what we call our own bible a couple of years ago, available here for those who are curious:  Cosmotheism: Religion of the Future by William Pierce.

Whiteness brought us the slave ship…

You can say that Whiteness brought us the ship, yes, but not the slave ship. The Nation of Islam published a scholarly three-volume expose, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, that shows us the history of Jews, not Whites, controlling the slave trade from Africa to America with their fleet of slave ships. My book store is sold out of these volumes, and Amazon has banned it, like they have banned most of our books, but it can be found via a search online.

…and the plantation. But the slave ship has never disappeared.

Nice try. Of course the plantation disappeared as did did the slave ship and slavery. Whites bought the Jews’ merchandise and kept the Black former slaves here rather than return them to their homeland — arguably our biggest mistake ever. How has that worked out? Like I wrote, Raleigh apologized for slavery and is now considering how you and others whose ancestors who never owned a slave will pay guilt reparations to Blacks with your tax dollars. Who will be the slave then?

Enjoy my organization’s weekly broadcast. Today’s show: No to Reparations, Yes to Separation.

Whiteness has brought us the CEOs of the Fortune 500, the stacked Boardrooms of Black Rock, Vanguard and Fidelity, who continue to invest in the coming collapse while already implementing their plan to gain from the destruction they have wrought.

Yes, let’s look at those stacked boardrooms: The Black Heart of BlackRock. I can’t speak to the CEOs of Vanguard and Fidelity, but the CEO of BlackRock, the largest hedge fund, with $10 trillion under its management, is Larry Fink, a Jew. Have you been keeping up with the phenomenal number of American homes Larry & Co, have been purchasing? Research shows us that: “[A]bout 72 per cent. of the executive management of the Fed, and of Wall Street banks and hedge funds — and the regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect us from Wall Street — are comprised of Jews, more than 3000 per cent. higher than their proportion of the population.”

Wow, if accurate, that’s a lot of Jews invested in America’s “coming collapse.” More data: “In 2015 FORBES magazine ranked the richest hedge fund managers in the United States by their estimated personal wealth, not the assets of the hedge funds they oversee. Twenty-four of the 32 names on the list (75%) are Jewish. Of the 10 wealthiest, 8 (80%) are Jewish. The disgusting multi-billionaire Jew, George Soros, who has used his ill-gotten lucre to corrupt the US justice system by backing elections of anti-White District Attorneys, topped that list.” You can see their mug shots, here: “The Hedge Fund Billionaires.”

Whiteness occupies the C-suites of the largest polluters in the world, the mining companies, oil companies, fertilizer companies, plastic and chemical manufacturers. Whiteness funds the demolition of the public square. Whiteness is the self-appointed priesthood of the future.

You sound like one of those “watermelon environmentalists”: green on the outside, red inside. Do you drive a Prius? If so, what do you suppose generates the electricity that charges it? Coal, natural gas, windmills, solar panels?

As you see your grip on privilege, your ‘right’ to remain on the top deck of the slave ship eroding, you redouble your efforts to put everyone else in their place, back in the lower decks. But the natives are restless. There will be no submission to the whip. We would rather heave ourselves into the ocean. The earth is striking back and the plantation is dissolving. That is the message of the great migrations underway that threaten your idea of ‘tradition,’ of the sacred nation-state.

I see. Why is it that only traditionally White nations are being flooded with non-Whites in what you call the “great migration”? The pooh-poohed “replacement theory” that Whites are being replaced by non-Whites is no theory at all; it’s fact that you sugar-coat as a “great” migration. It’s Jean Raspail’s prophetic, 50-year-old novel, Camp of the Saints come to pass.

It is white privilege that will fuel the mass movement of populations in response to climate breakdown. You don’t even grasp how you yourself have been a victim of whiteness. Otherwise you wouldn’t be grasping at the last straws of your fantasy of dominance. America never belonged to you in the first place! And yet, you still think you can own the definition of freedom? You may not feel it now, but conditions far beyond your control are shaping the world, for better and worse, faster and faster. There is no longer any neutral ground. You’ve already chosen your side, but there’s still time to wake up. Are you up to it?

Nope. Sorry, Gary I’m no victim. I like my side. You and your side are critical race theorists (CRT), defined as: “The intellectual and social movement, a loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.”

The Jews’ “Critical Race Theory” teaches us that differences between the races — such as between the White man and the Pygmies shown here — are not real, but just “culturally invented” fictions.

There’s your hierarchies word again. I don’t know what you critical race theorists are talking about except that you say hierarchies are somehow “unjust.” That there are races and sub-races is a biological fact, not some sort of social construct. We’ll just have to disagree on that, like we disagree on so much more. “Our” Jewish Attorney General, Merrick Garland, agrees with you and has called parents who protest at school board meetings over anti-White CRT indoctrination of their children “domestic terrorists.”

Here’s an entertaining essay about race realism, and the nuttiness coming out of California these days, by my friend Douglas Mercer: “California ‘Anti-Racism’.”

Surely you’re aware of your people’s slogan, “Never forgive, never forget.” But have you forgotten the third part, “Never debate a goy”?

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We may conclude from this that the rightness of our cause can’t be successfully questioned, even by an over-educated Jewish “sage.” Facts are on our side.

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Nom De Guerre
Nom De Guerre
9 August, 2023 8:46 pm

Will, your debate with that Jew seems to have some parallels with what Adolf Hitler described in section 2.25, “JEWISH DIALECTICS” on pages 73 and 74 of Thomas Dalton’s English translation of The Essential Mein Kampf, published in 2019.
Were you in the debate team? You’re pretty good at it! But I can imagine how trying it was to deal with one of our formidable adversaries.

The webbed feet on those poor nearly naked Pygmies! Still trying to tell Whitey that race is a social construct, Horvitz? More of us have gotten sick and tired of that line of bull.

William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
Reply to  Nom De Guerre
11 August, 2023 10:42 am

Debate team? What’s that? I didn’t give a whit for academic pursuits in high school, rarely took books home and barely graduated. I stayed enrolled for the fun. The only extracurricular activity I recall was being on the Poster Committee because I enjoyed creating art. Despite my below average grades I still received a decent education because Needham Broughton was rated one of the top high schools in the country back then. Like I wrote in the July NA BULLETIN, I’ve been enjoying Dalton’s very readable translation of The Essential Mein Kampf lately myself. The Essential Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler – edited by Thomas Dalton – Cosmotheism ( From the section you cite that relates to debating Jews:   The great masses can be rescued, but only by sacrificing much time and patience.   But a Jew… Read more »

Wolf Stoner
Wolf Stoner
10 August, 2023 8:08 am

Jews are never successful in debating anything on purely intellectual and factual grounds. They are apt at using simple slogans and emotional drive in order to fascinate stupid masses. It is why they always attract the dregs of society to their cause. The Jewish formula is very simple: to attract the worst and to eliminate the best. It was successfully accomplished in Russia in the last century (with the long-term results for all to see). They try to do something similar with American and European societies. Jews are Jews at whatever land and at whichever time. The mentality of Gary Horvitz is the same with Leon Bronstein (Trotsky) and Henrich Yagoda. They hate White people and crave to physically annihilate all of them. It is their hatred that leave no… Read more »

William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
Reply to  Wolf Stoner
13 August, 2023 10:18 am

Wolf Stoner: Jews are never successful in debating anything on purely intellectual and factual grounds…  — For all of Gary Horvitz’s double-talk about how awful Whiteness is in the Jew vs. White Gentile struggle, he let slip one fact: — “There is no longer any neutral ground.” — You say: — Good ride, Gary! Enjoy your journey on ‘Titanic.’ — This after he nervously wrote: — “There will be no submission to the whip. We would rather heave ourselves into the ocean.”  — Gary at least recognizes which side in the racial struggle still holds the whip. His ridiculous claim is that I am a victim of Whiteness (eye roll). What I’m detecting from him, however, is the typical false claim of martyred Jewish victimhood — let’s call it the… Read more »

Prinz von T.
Prinz von T.
Reply to  Wolf Stoner
15 September, 2023 3:55 pm

In the future anyone who cares so much about “oppressed” non-whites, will be promptly resettled into Central Africa. I suppose that these batches would be even more appreciated by locals than Ukrainian grain…  

This looks like a variant of my favorite Roman punishment damnatio ad bestias. ;-)

Jim - National Alliance Staff
Jim - National Alliance Staff
Reply to  Prinz von T.
16 September, 2023 11:41 am

To make that White future where anyone is sent anywhere, our race needs those who are willing to take on the task of Alliance building and put time, energy, and resources towards accomplishing our goals. Join us.

24 August, 2023 10:40 pm

What on earth is going on with that Pygmy’s toes?!

William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
Reply to  Freya
29 August, 2023 9:02 pm

Its toes are better for climbing trees, Freya. He’s never worn a shoe.

I couldn’t help myself and just put up another pleasantry under another of my 1965 high schools classmate’s message to the class — got to include Richard Cotton’s profound quote about equality.

PATSY B. BOLUS HEAVNER posted a message.

Women have worked and worked hard to obtain their equal rights.

Will W. Williams

Congratulations, Patsy, on gaining equal rights with White men.

Women have worked almost as hard to become equal with their entitled “majority” White men as have non-Whites and the LGBT community who make up the alleged “minority,” along with women. ;o}

A thought: “Freedom is not free; free men are not equal; and equal men are not free.”

C.E. Whiteoak
C.E. Whiteoak
Reply to  Freya
1 September, 2023 12:45 am

It looks as if he might be the victim of a company that packages and sells Brazil nuts….

William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
William W Williams * National Alliance Chairman
Reply to  C.E. Whiteoak
2 September, 2023 7:27 pm