Our Heritage, Our Freedom, and Our Future, Part 1
A 2006 interview with David Duke
by Kevin Alfred Strom
TODAY WE WELCOME to our microphones a man who has made great sacrifices and achieved great things in his battle for self-determination and freedom for our people; a man who has achieved political victories under an openly pro-White banner; a man who is the author of the groundbreaking books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening; and a man whose vision and dedication span decades, not mere months or years — Dr. David Duke.
Welcome to the program, David.
David Duke: It’s great to be with you, Kevin. And I’d like to say first off that I think you’re doing some very fine work. I’m very impressed with National Vanguard and with your Web site and your writings — and your dedication. I wish you the best of luck. I appreciate your work over the decades as well.
KAS: Thank you so much, David. It was a surprise and a pleasure to see you at the American Renaissance (Amren) conference last week in northern Virginia. What brought you there?
DD: Well, I had to take care of some business with my organization and publication and Web site at my office back home, and also finish up some Hurricane Katrina cleanup and repairs — it’s still not finished; we probably still have a couple of weeks’ worth of work to do on that. So that was a big job. And so, having suspended my lectures overseas for a while, I came back and saw the opportunity to attend the Amren convention in Washington. And I took the opportunity — because Amren is always a great gathering of some of the finest minds in our movement — educators, scientists, thinkers, writers — and it’s a great opportunity to meet with and brainstorm with these really fine leaders of our cause.
KAS: You yourself have held some of the best and most inspiring conferences in my memory — the 2004 and 2005 New Orleans European American Conferences, where I had the pleasure of speaking myself. When can we expect the next European American Conference?
DD: I’m trying to organize it now for sometime in the Fall, perhaps October — at the very latest, the end of October, because I don’t want to interfere with Christmas and the holiday season. That’s a nice time of the year also, if we do hold it in New Orleans; we’ll have very pleasant weather that time of year.
Yes, we’ve had some very successful conferences — our conferences have been the biggest, and, I think, the most exciting. We’ve had the most extensive and powerful list of speakers, not only from the United States but from around the world, of any conferences in the last few decades in America. I think we can have another really great conference. It will take a lot of work. Unfortunately, our last conference was kind of a “loss leader.” It cost us some of our operating money — but that seems to be the case in almost all conferences like this. But I think it was worth it, and I think it’s important that we do another one.
KAS: I look forward to being there, and I also look forward to a large National Vanguard presence at your conference.
I hope there’s enough left of New Orleans to hold the conference! And I also hope there are not any problems or tensions left over from some of the horrific things that happened in that city in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
DD: I don’t think that’s a real problem. The city, as you probably know, now has a better demographic — in terms of our heritage and our interests — than it had before the storm. And I think the storm itself woke up a lot of people as to what the circumstances really are in this new multicultural, multidemographic America; an America in which, eventually, White people — European-Americans — will become a minority in our own land.
I’ve heard from so many people in Louisiana and around New Orleans who’ve told me “Everything that you predicted — everything that you’ve been talking about for years — came true… maybe even in a more extreme way than you predicted.”
And a lot of people have urged me to run for mayor. Of course I couldn’t: I don’t live down there. They have a mayoral election right now. But it’s not my district, I don’t live there; I have no residence. So I couldn’t run in that race.
But it is interesting how the whole Katrina incident changed a lot of opinions, and brought home the danger that European-Americans face in this country. It changed more minds than the literature, the ideas, and the thoughts that I enunciated in my campaigns, because the people saw things for themselves.
In other parts of the country, you didn’t get much coverage of the actual things that went on. As you know, on my Web site, I extensively revealed the mass attacks, the rapes, and other racial crimes against White people in New Orleans. These things were underreported in the American press; though people saw some of these things on television, it was underreported in terms of editorializing.
I found out about some of these things because I scanned the world press. Wherever you had a pocket of English people or Irish people or Australians, their ordeals in the hurricane became big stories in their local papers back home. And the stories they told were horrific. We had one case of Britishers who were trapped in New Orleans in the Superdome. They said it was like the old days of the Indians and the wagon trains. They had to form a defensive circle. The Black gangster-type males made continual sexual threats against the White girls there. They tried to drag them off. It was only through the concerted efforts of the White males there, and the other White women, that they were able to prevent that.
They saw horrible scenes. Even after they left the Superdome, as they were walking down the street, gangs — in fact, whole crowds — of Blacks were screaming racial epithets at them. And these were just victims of the storm. In fact, some of them were people who had come down to New Orleans, when they heard the hurricane was coming, to help, to offer assistance. And this is the way they were treated. They were abused with racial epithets, and they were attacked en masse.
And the media coverage of Katrina continues to be incredibly biased. I saw a national news story the other day on NBC, and it said the Black areas were the hardest hit. That’s not true at all. True, some of the Black areas of town were hit hard. But some of the White areas — like the area where I grew up, Lakeview — were devastated by the storm, with 12 to 15 feet of water. Also, St. Bernard — which is a suburban community outside of New Orleans, and also one of my strongholds, where I received 88% of the vote when I ran for governor and senator — was completely devastated. It probably has only about five to ten per cent. of the population it had before the storm, even today.
KAS: I think that the coverage on our new White media — such as your Web site, and NationalVanguard.org, and a few others — did awaken some White people. And, of course, those Whites who were physically present were awakened even more powerfully. I’m hoping that sets the stage for an even larger European American Conference — which, I suppose, will probably be happening a little bit after the first anniversary of Katrina and her aftermath, traditionally a time for reflecting on tremendous events of historical importance — such as the Katrina savagery.
DD: That’s correct. And something else that the storm teaches us is to be found in the way that the controlled media dealt with you and with myself as critics of what happened.
I ran some material on my Web site, talking about the incredible anti-White hatred and violence we saw. You know, that’s the worst kind of ‘racial profiling’ — when you profile someone for rape or murder. That’s what they did to White people. And that’s a little bit more serious than a policeman profiling a Black person to see if he’s carrying drugs or committing some other kind of violation.
If a Black person criticizes White treatment of Blacks, or ‘White racist’ treatment of Blacks, he’s praised by the media. Yet, when I merely pointed out these acts of racial hate against Whites, I was called the ‘racist.’ I was called the ‘hater’ and the ‘bigot.’ That’s what the media typically do. And when more and more White people notice this kind of thing, it opens their eyes. They start to see the double standard that exists. The media didn’t call the Black gangs or the Black groups that attacked Whites ‘racists’ or ‘haters.’ They didn’t criticize them with massive editorializing. No. They criticized us for just talking about it.
And there were so many things that were just unspeakable that happened in the city. I’ll give you a couple of examples. We had Black gangs that actually descended upon nursing homes — nursing homes for the elderly — and they came and terrorized the residents, and stole everything that wasn’t nailed down, leaving them with no means of survival. They also did the same thing at children’s hospitals. This is something that doesn’t happen in the civilized world.
It wouldn’t happen even if you had a great tragedy. We’ve seen great tragedies such as avalanches and earthquakes in Europe, in the Alps, in Italy and other places — and in the face of such tragedy, most all of our people react with horror and do whatever they can to help. They volunteer their help, their support, to help their people.
But in the case of Hurricane Katrina, instead of helping these people who were victims of the storm and in terrible circumstances, we find Black gangs trying to take advantage of them — and robbing and raping and murdering.
KAS: I heard there were Black gangs attacking hospitals and stealing the drugs that were needed by the patients….
DD: That’s literally true. I can show you the AP and UPI articles. They invaded children’s hospitals and homes for the aged. They stole drugs and terrorized the residents. Literally terrorized them — forced them out, basically, from the shelter that they had. And this isn’t just what I say. I can show you examples of the mainstream press reporting on these incidents. It was truly horrific.
Per capita, there were probably more Whites that died in the catastrophe than Blacks. Remember, Blacks are the vast majority of the population of New Orleans — and, per capita, there were probably more White casualties than there were Black ones.
KAS: Indeed. When you visited Herndon and attended the Amren convention, you managed to get into the news. There was an article in the Jewish newspaper, the Daily Forward, about a question you asked at the conference. Some people are trying to spin that incident in such a way as to create a conflict between pro-White thinkers and activists. I’d like to get your version of what happened, your opinion of the whole affair, and what you think of the news coverage of it.
DD: Let me preface everything I say by telling you that I have the utmost respect for Jared Taylor and the utmost respect for the people of American Renaissance. I have long given links on my Web site to their work, such as The Color of Crime report, and to American Renaissance itself.
And I do believe that this movement has room for different people and different organizations addressing different sectors of the problems that face our people. I have no objection to that. In fact, in some ways that can be very effective. I understand that some groups don’t get involved in certain aspects of our efforts. And American Renaissance has pretty much stayed away from the Jewish question. They’ve pretty much ignored the question, even though I believe that 80% of their thinkers — it can’t be helped — understand the preeminent Jewish supremacist role in the destruction of our heritage, of our race.
Jewish supremacists were certainly the guiding lights and the founders of the so-called egalitarian movement, of international Marxism, and of ‘feminism.’ They were absolutely in the vanguard of the movement to open our borders — they even take credit for it in their own literature.
At the same time as all this, they were busily creating Israel as a racial state, in which anyone with Jewish ancestry — even if he’s an atheist — can immigrate, whereas a Palestinian who was born there can’t even come back to the land where his parents and his grandparents and his great-grandparents lived for the last 2,000 years or more. Israel has complete segregation between Jews and non-Jews. Israel’s laws do not recognize a marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew. That’s not legal in Israel. I published an article on my Web site about how a member of the Cohanim — an elite priest class of the Jewish people — a Mr. Cohen, was not allowed to marry a full-fledged Jew, a practicing Jew, because she had a drop of Gentile blood in her ancestry.
KAS: Clearly the Jewish supremacists know the magic and the power of racial-nationalism. They want it for themselves, but they want to deny it to others.
DD: That’s exactly correct. The truth is that the Jews are practicing what in psychology is called projection. They tend to project their own flaws onto us. They call us ‘supremacists.’ But supremacism is not what we’re about at all. We’re not trying to lord over other people or suppress other people. We simply want to preserve our heritage. We want our own homelands to be reflective of our values and our culture — which is what every people on the planet really wants.
The truth is that the non-White people of the Earth are much better off with people like ourselves in political, social, and media power — because we know that the days of colonialism are past. We don’t need that. With the technology, the robotics, the genetic science we have, we don’t have to colonize the world or suppress anybody else. If we regain our heritage and our values in a nation that raises our people with each passing generation — if we aim for the stars and remake ourselves at a higher and higher level — there’s no necessity to colonize or oppress any other people of the world. We can achieve everything we want to achieve — even go to the stars.
KAS: I fully agree with that. Nevertheless, you did attend the American Renaissance conference…
DD: Yes, (laughter) I did get a little off track, didn’t I?
KAS: And you really have no objection to the fact that they do not address the Jewish question and, correct me if I’m wrong, but I take it that you also have no objection to the fact that Mr. Taylor’s organization also allows maverick Jewish intellectuals, who occasionally may say something in favor of racial separatism, to speak and participate.
DD: That’s their policy and they can do anything they want to in that regard. Where I have a problem — and it’s just an intellectual problem which I address sometimes, as I did over the weekend — is that while it’s one thing to ignore the Jewish question, not to touch it, to make some of these race realist professors a little more immune from the attacks of our most active critics; it is quite another thing to actually advance some of the Jewish agenda.
It wasn’t a major part of the meeting, but a few speakers were basically telling us that now the Zionists are our allies — that somehow they are going to support White nationalists to come to power because they are afraid of Muslim immigration — and that somehow we should get on board with this Clash of Civilizations that Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and all these vicious anti-European Jewish supremacists are advocating. I believe this is a complete mistake, and very dangerous to our cause. So I think that questions must be raised in opposition to that, and I did raise such questions, a little bit, in a very subtle way, at the conference.
I just stood up and said…
KAS: You say you stood up and said something. You did not interrupt the proceedings, did you?
DD: No, I just asked a question.
KAS: And this was during a question and answer session, correct?
DD: Yes. First, I praised Mr. Guillaume Faye who was the French writer and philosopher — and a fine man — who had just made a speech. I said that he “stirred our genes,” which he did. I said that what he had said was very exciting, because in this catastrophe that Europe is facing, we also have the sense of pregnant possibility. We know that in this great conflict to come that Europeans are awakening, and we have a chance to save our heritage, a chance to save our genetic seed, to save our values. And we can really move forward.
And then I asked him a question. I said that we know that it is an historical fact that in the first great Islamic invasions that another Middle Eastern group inside the West had a great role in supporting those invasions. It is an historical fact that this group threw open the gates of Constantinople. This is found in both Islamic and Western records. The same thing is true of Granada during the Moorish invasions of Spain.
And I also said — this is paraphrased, because I don’t remember my exact words — that the gates of the West have also been opened, by this same Middle Eastern group, over the last 40 to 50 years. So I asked him an open-ended question. He could answer it any way he wanted. I wasn’t going to debate with him. In fact, I was planning to sit down, which in fact I did. He could answer as hard as he wanted or as soft as he wanted. I just wanted to bring up this idea to him. What are we going to do, I asked, to fight the internal subversion of our spirit and our will in the West?
That was my question. Immediately upon the conclusion of my question, one Michael Hart, a very diminutive individual — almost like a caricature, actually — rose up and spouted filthily “You f—ing Nazi!” He screamed that at me, then looked around with furtive eyes, scurried toward the door, looked around again, and left.
KAS: Mr. Hart is Jewish, correct?
DD: Yes, he is. He almost seemed like a caricature. Again, I didn’t respond to him. I just kind of jokingly said ‘Thanks,’ and then sat down and let Guillaume answer the question.
KAS: And what was M. Faye’s response to your question?
DD: He talked about a lot of things — it was kind of a double-sided answer. He basically admitted that what I said was true. But he said that the best way to handle it — theoretically, because of their power — was to ignore them. He used some interesting metaphors. He said that Jewish power is like the hole in the dike, in terms of immigration. And then he went on to say that we should just ignore them because, I believe the suggestion was, they are so powerful and we shouldn’t get involved in that and we should stay with the issues, specifically immigration.
I made no response, because I wasn’t there to disrupt. At this point, I really regret that I even asked the question — because I did not want to disrupt. That wasn’t my intention. And if this radical Jew would not have stood up and made this big scene, there wouldn’t have been any disruption. The question would have passed over smoothly, Guillaume would have made his response, and we would have moved on. There would have been no big issue.
So I feel very regretful, in a way, for asking the question. I’m not apologizing for it — it was a legitimate question — but I just didn’t realize there were any radical Jews of that flavor at the meeting who would get up and scream obscenities at me as if it was some sort of ARA convention.
KAS: Well, it seems to me that if Mr. Hart is truly concerned about the survival of the West genetically and culturally, which he proclaims in his own writings that he is, he would not have reacted as he did. It seems to me his major focus should be on his own co-racialists and co-religionists who are the most active force in destroying our genetic heritage. Instead of screaming at you, he ought to be screaming at them.
DD: Of course. And, by the way, the answer to issues raised by Mr. Faye is this: If, indeed, as he says, the Jews are the ‘hole in the dike,’ then how in the world are we gong to solve this problem if we don’t address that hole — if we don’t talk about it, or if we’re not even allowed to know about it? As you know, as Katrina shows us, it doesn’t take a very big hole very long to become a bigger hole before the entire city — or our entire civilization, the culture of Europe — to be flooded. As we have been, in fact, flooded.
But, yes, they have been the driving force in this issue. Not all Jews — and I don’t criticize all Jews. My book Jewish Supremacism is dedicated to a Jewish person who has fought this Jewish supremacist position, and that’s Israel Shahak. I don’t hate all Jews, but I certainly don’t think that our culture, our media, our government should be in their control. I think that their domination of these areas of American life, and European life, have been extremely destructive for our values, for our freedoms, and our existence.
The same thing is true about other issues: This reaction, this response is also similar to what’s happening to David Irving. By the way, Irving gave a very good interview from prison, and on my site DavidDuke.com, there’s a link to a BBC interview with him from his prison cell in Vienna. He says some very interesting things. He denies the idea of the systematic extermination of the Jews by Hitler. He makes very interesting and convincing arguments.
KAS: I think some Jewish organizations are trying to spin this extremely impertinent response to your civilized question at Amren into an issue wherein they hope to pressure American Renaissance into disavowing all those who criticize Jewish supremacism — and perhaps even engineer some situation where those who do not accept the role of Jewish supremacists in our society may be banned from future conferences. I will just say, from my point of view — I don’t know what your point of view is — I think that would be very destructive. There are a large number of people who are supporters of American Renaissance who do question the role of Jewish supremacists. They know that it is not the policy of American Renaissance to discuss that issue, however well they may be aware of it. Some of them are National Vanguard members, many of them are members of Stormfront, and they constitute a significant, and I think a large, section of the support and attendance at those conferences. And I don’t believe any of them, least of all you, want to disrupt or change the direction of those conferences.
DD: No. In fact, many of my supporters were certainly there — and I got nothing but positive responses afterward. I’m sure that a handful of people were upset for one reason or another, but I got nothing but positive responses. But, again, I didn’t want that, I wasn’t trying to get positive responses. I was just trying to get that issue a little bit of circulation — and, obviously, I didn’t expect that kind of reaction from that individual. I was shocked by it, and I think I did continue to conduct myself as a gentleman even though this individual did not.
KAS: David, I have commented recently in my broadcasts how supremely ironic it is that we who have been falsely characterized as the ‘haters’ and the ‘bigots’ — about whom it is claimed by our enemies that we want to harm non-Whites in some way — we are the ones who, today, are standing against making war on the non-White peoples of the Middle East by this tremendous Israeli-Zionist-American war machine.
Some of your most important work recently has been — and it must be amazing to have yourself cast in this role, such a very important role — your important work has been as an ambassador for peace. You visited Syria in that role. Can you tell us about that trip?
DD: I was invited there by some major individuals in the country. I visited their Parliament, seeing most of the key leaders of the country. It was a very wonderful trip. I had a chance to address 50,000 people in the main square of the town. I had a wonderful reaction — in fact you can see the speech on DavidDuke.com. Standing beside me is one of the leaders of Parliament, behind me is the head of the legal system in the country.
When I spoke to the crowd, I simply said that the people of America, in spite of what you hear from the American media and so forth, do not want war with you and, in fact, all polls have shown that it is only the Zionists who want war — and the same thing is true of the war in Iraq. The American people were simply told lies that they were being threatened by weapons of mass destruction, and in truth it was only Israel that benefited from this war.
I said to them that it hurts my heart to tell you that it’s not just part of your country that’s occupied, such as the Golan Heights in Syria, but it’s also part of my country. They occupy much of Washington, much of New York, much of our media, and they’re leading our country to disaster.
And that’s again going back to the same neocon issue I was concerned about at Amren: We must have an absolute vital determination to stop the non-White immigration into Europe, and make sure that our nations continue as European/American nations and one day, we hope, repatriating the non-Europeans who are in Europe now for economic or whatever reasons. At the same time we cannot let ourselves to be enlisted by the neocons.
They’ve done this divide and conquer thing for years. In these foreign wars, first of all, they get us off point of what the important issue is. The important border, as I’ve said a million times, is not the border of Iraq, it’s the border between Mexico and America — and the border between Europe and the rest of the world, where we have a flood of immigrants.
KAS: Hear, hear.
DD: When we focus on an external enemy, that’s when they start laying on the big propaganda that “oh, we’re all these different multi-ethnic groups and we have to merge and mix and everything because we have to be united against this common foe outside of our borders.” What this really does, in fact — you see it in the Iraq war — is cause us to bring in, for example, many Mexicans and other non-Europeans into our military to fight this war — and they’re, of course, lauded as ‘great American patriots’ and all the rest.
This whole process will not only be destructive of trillions of dollars over the next few decades — that’s really what it’s going to cost; it’s an incredible amount — but it’s cost already over two thousand lives, over 20,000 Americans have been wounded, maimed, crippled, blinded, disfigured for life; such destructiveness! The Pentagon says that one third of those coming back from Iraq, after serving their tours, have enough mental problems from this war that they, literally, will require professional help. The bill for all this is going to be in the trillions of dollars over the next few years.
KAS: Such a tragedy.
DD: In the most important objectives of all, of course, in terms of terrorism, we are failing. We are not lessening terrorism. I just saw a report on NBC the night before last, stating that terrorists are now being trained in Iraq and are being exported to other countries. Americans are not going to be safe anywhere in the world. There are more people that hate us than ever before because of this war. And there are now literally hundreds of thousands who would kill themselves — sacrifice their lives — because of their intense hatred of us.
This war is not lessening the threat of terrorism to our country. It’s increasing it. Here’s the situation: We might be able to protect our people better if we had more secure borders — which we should have. But we can’t protect the 5 to 10 million Americans who are overseas — those who are in school, getting an education; on vacation; in our country’s service; or whatever. It’s just impossible to do.
And if we continue our present policy, there will be so many thousands of Americans who will be murdered and afflicted — businesses and legitimate trade will be destroyed — and our country will suffer tremendously in the long term from this policy. And it’s entirely a policy orchestrated by the neocons. This war was not about oil. It was not about anything other than the interests of Israel.
In the next article in this series we will continue our interview with Dr. David Duke.
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Source: National Alliance