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david_duke_002An historic 2005 interview with leading White activist David Duke (pictured)

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by Kevin Alfred Strom

TODAY WE WELCOME to our microphones one of the preeminent authors and speakers and activists for White men and women around the world — a man who has come closer than any other man to major political success with an openly pro-White agenda, who is also the author of the valuable books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening, Mr. David Duke. Welcome to the program, David.

DD: Kevin, I’m really glad to be here. I want to say first that I very much admire your work; your work on, your Web site, your radio program, your editing, and your writing has served as an inspiration to me and, I know, to many other people. I’ve always admired your work very, very much. And I’m very pleased to be on the program with you.

KAS: Thank you so much, David. Before we get into the main part of the program, can you tell us something about the European American Conference that you’re holding this month, from the 20th to the 22nd of May?

DD: I’m really excited about this conference. I hosted the first conference last year partly because I’ve seen, for so many years, so much disunity among “right wing” and European-American organizations — even infighting. I came to believe that we needed to present more of a common front to the enemy. We don’t have to destroy the individual character of each group, but we need to present a common front — not only in the United States, but across Europe and the world.

We have an international Zionist enemy, which is purposefully dedicated to our destruction — not only to the destruction of our ideas, but to literal eradication of our people from this planet. It’s a worldwide problem. And we are not going to be able to address and solve this problem simply on a parochial or a national level. We’ve got to have some sort of unity and make a common front.

And this international European American Conference is about building that unity. Plus it’s about having some guidelines about how we can win — the way to power in our respective countries; and also how we are going to present our cause to our people, whether we’re going to conform to the Jewish Hollywood stereotypes of what our movement is, or whether we’re going to conform to what we really are. And that is: very dedicated men and women who believe in a great ideal, who are not motivated by hatred but who are motivated by love of their traditions and their values and their freedom, and who are speaking in a high tone on these issues — and not, again, conforming to Hollywood stereotypes.

And in the first conference we held, last year, a number of the different leaders who were present signed a Protocol to that effect. This year’s conference is probably going to be 50 to 60 per cent. larger; there will be many more groups represented from around the world; and I think the Protocol will grow in terms of signatories. I think we’re really moving forward in forming some sort of a unification or alliance, if that’s the right word to use, around the world, to bring us toward our victory, our common goal — which is the preservation of our people, the total removal of Jewish/Zionist power over our governments and our media, and really guiding our people once more toward the stairway to the heavens.

KAS: How many people did you have at the conference last year, David, and how many do you think will make it this year?

DD: Last year, about 300 — and in this facility, we’re limited by space to about 500, and I think we’ll fill every chair.

KAS: I’ll be honored to be speaking there and sharing the podium with so many distinguished men and women who care about their race. I expect that National Vanguard members and members of other pro-White groups, as well as individual activists, will also be there — not just listening to the speakers, but networking, sharing information, and, most importantly, really getting to know each other.

DD: I think it’s so vital that we do that. There have been a lot of major leadership meetings in America over the last few years, but this will certainly be one of the very largest in the years of my memory. And also, at the conference, we’re not going to mince any words: We’re talking about the entire problem. We’re talking about the survival of our heritage, our race. And we’re also talking about Jewish supremacism and the dangers of international Zionism and what that means to our people. So this is a conference that’s going to be full bore. It’s going to be talking about the truth. I think it’s going to be inspiring. I think it’ll be instructive. We’ll talk about how our people can go into politics. We’ll talk about that in a few minutes here on the program — what I think we need to do to achieve victory in this country and around the world. This is going to be a fantastic event, and I am looking forward to it very much.

KAS: How can listeners get more information about attending the European American Conference?

DD: They can call my office or they can go to my Web site,, and get all the information they need.

KAS: David, you spent several months in Europe recently. Can you tell us where you’ve been and what you’ve been doing there?

DD: I’ve been in just about every European country, and I’ve been speaking at universities and before classrooms, and I’ve been speaking at some public meetings as well. I’ve been meeting patriots and leaders.

I’ve been meeting with patriotic candidates across Eastern Europe — I’m proud to say that I’ve helped a number of Eastern European candidates in their national governments get elected to their positions. I know something about politics in this country, obviously. I received over 60 per cent. of the European-American vote here in Louisiana in two elections. I got more votes in Louisiana in my last race for governor than Patrick Buchanan got in the entire United States of America.

So I know something about politics. I helped them with political structure. And I think I’ve really been helping the people of Eastern Europe — the movement people; the very sound and clear and not kooky people. And I say that very gingerly, but these are people who have a clear — and not kooky — understanding of the Jewish problem.

KAS: I understand that your book, Jewish Supremacism, is continuing to be a top seller in Eastern Europe.

DD: According to the Jewish press, it is. An Armenian publisher has actually handled the book. I don’t get anything from it, so I can’t speak from firsthand knowledge, but the Jews themselves say that approximately 680,000 copies have now been sold in the Russian Federation. It’s also in Bulgarian. It’s been published by the university where I lecture in Kiev. It’s going into German. It’s already in a very beautiful Swedish edition. It’s been translated into and is almost ready for publication in Spanish, from Barcelona. There’s a French translation taking place.

It’s making a tremendous impact. If you add up all the copies sold in the world, including the English version and the other countries, according to Jews it’s sold more copies than all the other revisionist books and books that are opposed to Zionism in toto — more than all of them combined. One Jewish organization recently said not only that, but it is the very best selling book on the Jewish people, period! — selling even more than those from the pro-Jewish press. (laughter)

I’m even impressed myself by how the book has taken off. I’m very very pleased. I think it’s a great handbook for people. It gives them a thorough understanding of the Jewish supremacist problem in a very convincing format. I hope that all your listeners have read the book by now.

KAS: That is a very impressive achievement. I’m sure that your book is one of the engines driving the awakening in Europe — the awakening to the Jewish question. Before the program, you were saying that it’s really more than just an awakening to the Jewish question; it’s a merging of two distinct branches of thought. Can you tell our listeners what you told me before the show?

DD: There are two aspects to our problem through which people come to their awakening. Some come to it through a conservative or more traditional approach, where they understand the basics of race. In other words, they see our traditions under attack, our values, our very heritage itself. They see immigration problems. And they’re looking for answers. A lot of people, for instance Whites in the United States, see “affirmative action,” the problems of forced integration — and they become awakened.

But some people are coming to an understanding from the other end, from an understanding of the Jewish problem. A lot of them are liberals. Some of them are conservatives. They are very unhappy with the idea that Israel, which is a foreign nation, now literally controls the foreign policy of the United States government. That’s a pretty amazing event. And any patriotic American would be angry about it. So converging lines of liberals who understand Jewish power and supremacism and their suppression of human rights — and conservatives — are coming together in a kind of amorphous understanding of the overall problem.

KAS: Would you say that this process is farther advanced in Europe than it is in the United States?

DD: I think that it is, in a lot of ways. In Europe, you have a much higher per capita size of movement organizations — and political participation. And this is where we’re really failing in the United States of America. I’m kind of shocked that there aren’t 500 people or a thousand people who have already done what I did in Louisiana: get elected to the Louisiana legislature, get elected to public office, and speak openly for these ideas and issues — and run for major office and win. I’m kind of shocked.

I’ve won two separate elections: both for the House of Representatives in Louisiana and for the Republican Party executive committee, which took place at the same time as the regular election, the voters’ election. And that should be repeated. And I’m kind of shocked that it hasn’t been. We’re going to talk a lot about that at this conference: We’ll tell people how to run; what the political prospects are. There’s no question in my mind that we should have literally thousands of state legislators and people elected to political office in this country right now. The time is right for that, right at this moment.

KAS: You also spoke to audiences in Sweden and in Spain. Can you briefly summarize what you did there?

DD: We had some pretty interesting times. In Sweden I spoke in three of the largest cities: Gothenburg, Helsingborg, and Stockholm. The audiences were overwhelming. They were sold out and overflowing. They have a very beautiful edition of my book now in Sweden. And there’s a lot of awakening going on now in that country.

In Spain, where I spoke, we were attacked by the Communists or the reds — and in most of Europe, “Communists and reds” is becoming synonymous with non-Europeans. Usually Communist gatherings consist almost entirely of non-European people, with a smattering of a Jew or two here and there. In Russia it’s different — that’s what’s kind of amazing; in Russia the old-line Communist party has become a right-wing nationalist party. It’s kind of crazy; it goes against anything you’ve ever thought of before. In Barcelona the Communists came out and attacked the bookstore and the meeting hall behind it where I had my speech. The Communists brought bats, and there were about 30 or 40 of them. Our people mixed it up with them and protected the meeting and protected me and Pedro Varela, who is the head of the organization there. Everything came out great. We had a little pause in the meeting, but the meeting went on.

KAS: Now you have a special connection to Ukraine. Can you tell us something about the developments in Ukraine at this time?

DD: It’s one of those complicated issues. I’ve seen a lot of material on our Web sites and on Internet news sites about how the new President, Yushchenko, is really an agent of the Zionists and so forth, and is genuflecting before them — for instance, at an Auschwitz ceremony and this type of thing. But it’s really not quite that simple.

There were lots of Zionists backing the former President. And there was a lot of old “anti-Russian” (but really anti-Communist, anti-Bolshevik) feeling in Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine, for instance, offered a lot of resistance to the Bolsheviks in the Second World War. This is where most of the famines and the attacks took place in that country. So they didn’t want to support the old President. You had people who were anti-Zionist and pro-European on both sides of that particular election.

KAS: Well, from our point of view over here, we saw people like [Jewish financier] George Soros and American-funded political action groups backed by the Jewish supremacists all behind Yushchenko…

DD: They were, but I can tell you also that there were many Jewish organizations — and I’ve seen them and I’ve seen articles on this — who were supporting the other side as well, who were supporting the old regime. So again it’s not quite as clear as you might think that it is. All I know is that a lot of people now are moving toward new political parties in Ukraine. And I think that’s the good thing about it: One good thing about this election is that it opened up the political process in Ukraine. And now you have many different factions. It was kind of a one-party operation before. That stifled a lot of dissent and stifled some of the people who talk about the issues that we think are important. And now you have a whole bunch of new parties that are coming on the scene.

KAS: Is the level of awareness of the Jewish problem as high in Ukraine as it is in Russia?

DD: I think it’s as high or higher. And I hope that the listeners to your program understand that the awareness in Eastern Europe of the Jewish problem is much higher than in any other area of the European world — no question in my mind.

KAS: Can you tell us something about that letter, signed by 5,000 activists in Russia, protesting against Jewish power? [ ] [ ]

DD: That letter was an outgrowth of the earlier letter of 500 top intellectuals, editors, writers, producers, entertainers, and so forth in Russia. The first letter, interestingly enough, is something that’s tied to me to a great extent. The man who wrote the introduction to the Russian edition of Jewish Supremacism is a gentleman by the name of Boris Mironov. Mironov was the Press Secretary — a pretty high position — to [former Russian President] Boris Yeltsin. And Mironov resigned his position because he felt Yeltsin was selling out his country to these Zionist gangsters and these other Jewish criminals. So he wrote the introduction to my book Jewish Supremacism — and the government currently has him under charges, under these old so-called “hate laws,” which are laws, of course, against freedom of speech, against anyone who dares to criticize Jewish supremacists.

The Jewish Board of Deputies and others tried to suppress my book. They tried to get the Russian Prosecutor General to rule that my book was “anti-Semitic,” have my book banned, and prosecute me for “hate crimes.” But, after a year, the Russian Prosecutor General examined my book and made an official ruling that my book was not “anti-Semitic.” It was, he said, simply a presentation of the historical facts and the issues surrounding Jewish extremism.

KAS: How enlightened they are!

DD: Amazing, isn’t it? Can you imagine the government in this country ruling that my book was simply factual? (laughter)

KAS: Every day, David, it is looking more and more like the Jewish supremacists are inching us closer to war with Iran: from the dark hints about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to spy plane overflights to the propaganda campaign they’re building to fool the American people. How do your contacts in Europe see this situation, and how do you see it?

DD: Most of my contacts believe that the foreign policy of the United States is totally run by Jewish supremacists. And, really, by crazy and wacky Jewish supremacists, who have no understanding of the world — and who, through their hatreds and through their absolute intolerance and inability to control themselves or to act in a measured way, may very well launch this war with Iran.

And I think that if this war comes — and I have many friends who feel the same way — it could very well undo Jewish power in the West. America can’t even handle the Iraq war. A war with Iran would be a factor of 100 times worse in terms of casualties, problems, costs, and fallout in the world.

KAS: Both Russia and China have huge investments in Iran; Russia even has nuclear power assistance agreements with them. And both Iran and Russia have been opposed to the Jewish plan to destabilize and “remake” the Middle East. How do you see Vladimir Putin and nuclear-armed Russia in all of this, if the war does come?

DD: That’s the big question, and I don’t think I’ve got a perfect answer for you on Vladimir Putin. But I can tell you this: I don’t know of any other leader in the world that would fight the leader of the Jewish community in Russia, Gusinsky — who was also, by the way, an organized criminal and a murderer — and [Jewish billionaire oligarchs] Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky. I think that Putin is trying to do what he can, but he’s trying to be very clever. He’s trying to take an approach similar to what Stalin took…

KAS: Hasn’t Putin made conciliatory gestures to Israel recently? Hasn’t he even taken Bush’s advice and started putting pressure on Iran to be “more open” about its nuclear program? Is he weakening? Is he being drawn into the neocon-Jewish supremacist orbit?

DD: Maybe he is. We don’t know. But that’s really not different from what he’s been doing all along: He would prosecute Gusinsky, and then he’d go visit a synagogue. You see? The Russians can be very devious people. They had a huge Jewish population for many, many centuries. They’ve learned to kind of put on a different face. And don’t forget that Putin is also an old KGB man. He’s a man who believes in sleight of hand, the Secret Service kind of approach. So what he does is kind of like what Stalin used to say: “Words and deeds have no relationship.” You can say and do “nice things” — but then do certain things which are the opposite. As long as you put the right face on it, you’re not going to get as much heat. And I think that’s the principle Putin’s operating under now.

KAS: You did tell me before the program that he had snubbed Israel to some extent during his recent visit there.

DD: That’s right. Most of the presidents and leaders that come to Israel are brought to the “Wailing Wall,” which is like their altar to Israel and Jewish supremacism, effectively. And the leaders are forced to put on the Jewish yarmulke and to genuflect to Jewish supremacist power — Bush has done it; just about all the major leaders of Europe have done it at one time or another. Well, when Putin went to Israel the other day, they wanted him to go to the “Wailing Wall.” But he found that he had a “scheduling problem,” a time problem. And it was reported in some of the Russian press that Putin did not want to put on a yarmulke. (laughter) That’s really very interesting, isn’t it?

KAS: Very interesting.

DD: That’s really an amazing development. And Putin said when he was in Israel — and he shows a lot more guts than our President does most of the time — that he was going to continue his missile sales to Syria.

KAS: David, are there going to be any big announcements or surprises for us at the New Orleans conference this year?

DD: We expect some very big surprises with some very amazing people who are going to come, whom we haven’t announced previously. I think people are going to find this fantastic. As I said, Nick Griffin’s coming. And we’ve got some other surprises in store. This is going to be an amazing conference, and I’m so looking forward to seeing you again — and seeing so many patriots and friends from all over the United States and really all over the world. We’ve got many people coming over from England, from France, Germany, Sweden, Italy — all over. It’s just going to be amazing.

KAS: I’m really looking forward to being there.

We have seen this push for this expanded war in the Middle East; we’ve seen the accession to power of the neocons under Bush; now we’ve even seen the elevation of Jewish supremacist Michael Chertoff to be the head of Homeland Security. And meanwhile the invasion coming across our southern border accelerates every day, cheered on by both major political parties. These seem to be ominous times for racially aware White people. We are growing. But is the growth fast enough to build a serious resistance to our dispossession and genocide?

DD: I don’t know if it is fast enough on the organizational level. It definitely needs to be faster. But I can tell you this: In terms of an awakening or an awareness level — that’s increasing at an incredible pace all over the world. It’s just amazing the amount of awareness of the Jewish problem all over the world — the fundamentals of it. That’s one thing that Jewish Supremacism does: A lot of people think “Well, Zionists are bad and Jewish Communists are bad… but Jewish religionists are good.” But the truth is that the Jewish religion is a supremacist religion. And the Jewish religion and the Jewish racial extremism that’s in that religion is the source of many of these other phenomena.

We have to have a clear understanding of these things. And that is increasing all over the world. And I think it’s going to accelerate over the next few years.

KAS: Where should we, as racially conscious White people, be concentrating our energies to be as effective as we can be?

DD: I think it should be primarily in raising this awareness, at this point. And that awareness can be reached in many ways: It can be reached on the Internet; it can be reached with leaflets; it can be reached by talking to your friends. If each one of us goes out and recruits one other person, we eventually have the world. Such are the dynamics of an evangelical-style crusade for our people. I think that we need that kind of feeling. I think that that is how we are going to make this revolution.

With modern technology the way it is, with what’s going on with massive big government and its massive numbers of agents, with 9/11 and all the rest of it, the only possible path to power, path to victory, is going to be a legal path. Those who choose to be violent at this time will not only find themselves locked up in prison for the rest of their lives and harm our movement in a sense, but they will also harm our quest to wake up our people. We need an absolute zero tolerance for violence.

People ask “How is this revolution going to come?” I think it’s going to come much like you saw the revolutions in Eastern Europe come: with a massive consensus. I think we’re going to wake up one morning and the world will have a completely different idea. There’ll be millions of people who won’t show up for work and will fill the streets of their cities and demand change. And there will be a huge change, very quickly.

KAS: Many years ago you used a phrase that I still use occasionally. And that is: “We need to bring the truth to victory.” And I think when you talk about that revolution in our people’s hearts and minds — waking up one morning and everything looks different — that is bringing the truth to victory.

DD: I think so. And — I always use this analogy, and I’ll use it, I’m sure, at the conference five or six times — in the first few centuries after Christ, Islam came on the scene. Mohammed came up with a philosophy that kind of fit the Arab mentality. It was an answer to some of the problems that they had: the tremendous infighting, the tribal struggles, a lot of the moral and other issues they were facing. And Islam just fit their racial soul, their spirit. And it swept their people, from Spain to Pakistan and India, in a generation — in a time with no modern communication, with no telephone or telegraph, no computers or Internet, no tape recorders, no television, we could go on and on…

KAS: No postal service, even…

DD: Exactly. Yet it spread. And I think today things are speeding up in a sense. And I think when the awakening really hits Europe, in just a few years, perhaps less than a decade, everything will change. When you mention the Jewish problem, everyone you meet will just say “Of course. What are we going to do about it today?” (laughter) Do you see what I’m saying? That’s what you already hear a lot in Eastern Europe. You bring up the Jewish question and they say “Of course; we all know that.” And that’s a good place to start in terms of organizing and politics, let me tell you.

KAS: David, I look forward to being with you again in New Orleans this year. And I thank you for devoting your life and your considerable talents to the renaissance of our people. I thank you for all the sacrifices you’ve made. And I thank you for being a guest once again on American Dissident Voices.

DD: Let me tell you, I’m thankful for you guys and all the good work that you’ve done. And I’m thankful that I could make such sacrifices — I’m honored to do so. And it’s been a great joy for me to fight and to live and to struggle and to speak for our people. It’s given my life meaning. And I’m just thankful that, every day when I get up, I’m alive and breathing one more day that I can struggle for these ideals.

Our ideals are the most beautiful in the history of the world. We’re talking about a higher people, a higher destiny, and freedom. We’re talking about everything that’s really valuable and important in life. And that’s really what the struggle is all about.

KAS: Thank you very much David, and I’ll see you in New Orleans.

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Source: American Dissident Voices broadcast of May 8, 2005

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Walt Hampton
Walt Hampton
22 May, 2016 1:32 pm

I have met Duke on several different
occasions and have found him to be a serious and
profound thinker with the potential to be an
outstanding representative of the best of our
Race. One slight drawback however…he is a

Walt Hampton
Walt Hampton
Reply to  Walt Hampton
3 September, 2020 3:55 pm

I suppose however, that there is not too much
he can do about that. He is loved by East
European Christians, and of course…the bulk
of his financial support comes from those people.